Mid North Coast Pioneers - Newcastle to Lismore and beyond

Vial - Patrick

Patrick George VIALAge: 8818441933

Name
Patrick George VIAL
Given names
Patrick George
Surname
VIAL
Note:

On Baptism/Birth Registration with NSW BDM 754 162A name shown as Patrick Vine. Born 31 October 1844, Baptism 1 December 1844. Parents - George Vine & Mary Lynham of Raymond Terrace. Sponsors -Patrick Lynham & Mary Bowen. Baptism performed by P. Magennis, Roman Catholic, Parish of Newcastle in the County of Northumberland

Took on the name of Patrick George later in life.

Birth October 31, 1844 34 32
Citation details: Email 1 March, 2006
Text:

From: Jan Gregory jancgr@bigpond.net.au Subject: Fwd: Gregory Photos Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:12:13 +1100

Dear Stuart, The data continues!

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From: PAYNE_FAMILY payne_family@bigpond.com Date: 1 March 2006 5:10:51 PM To: jancgr@bigpond.net.au Subject: Gregory Photos

Hi Jan, I have attached photos of graves of William Gregory SNR and William & Ann Gregory both from Sandgate Cemetery. Photos of William & Ann Gregory and Patrick & Sarah Vial.

RE: Vial. On Patrick & Sarah wedding certif. his parents listed as George Vial & Mary Linham. Patrick born Hunter River , age 44 in 1893 = born about 1849 No record of birth of Patrick Vial/Vile on BDM. A George Vile & Mary Lynham married Newcatle Rom.Catholic Reg. 28.11.1842 Permission to Marry 1842 - Vile, George, 32, Ship-Mangles 8, Sentence 7 years, Status-ticket of leave. Lynham, Mary, 18, ship-Royal Sovereigh, Status-Free. This is all I have on the Vial's at this stage. I need to investigate further.

Quality of data: secondary evidence
Note:

Have searched the NSW BDM Birth Index and found no relevant entry. Could it be this entry:

V1844754 162A/1844 VINE PATRICK GEORGE MARY

Christening December 1, 1844 (Age 31 days)
Godfather: Patrick LYNHAMuncle
Note: Sponsors were Patrick Lynham and Mary Bowen. Patrick Lynham was Mary Lynham's brother.
Birth of a brotherCharles Joseph VIAL
July 13, 1846 (Age 20 months)
Citation details: Email date 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Birth of a brotherGeorge VIAL
about 1847 (Age 2)

Citation details: Email 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Note: His birth year was found by deducting his age from the death year of his Mother. It also fits in with the deaths of two other siblings named George.
Birth of a brotherGeorge Martin VIAL
October 16, 1848 (Age 3)
Citation details: Email date 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Death of a brotherGeorge VIAL
before 1851 (Age 6)

Death of a brotherGeorge Martin VIAL
before 1851 (Age 6)

Citation details: Email date 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Birth of a brotherGeorge Martin VIAL
July 14, 1851 (Age 6)

Citation details: V18511109 68/1851 VIAL GEORGE M GEORGE MARY
Quality of data: questionable evidence
Citation details: Email date 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Note: The Vial Family gedcom has the DOB for George as 14 October 1851.
Birth of a brotherJoseph Sylvester VIAL
December 10, 1853 (Age 9)

Citation details: Email date 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Citation details: V1853 650 71/1853 & V1854 650 71/1854
Text:

Baptised at St James, RC, Sydney, Nsw, Australia

Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Death of a paternal grandfatherJohn VILE
March 14, 1855 (Age 10)
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Birth of a brotherLaurence Philip VIAL
December 15, 1855 (Age 11)

Citation details: V18553860 72/1855 VIAL LAURENCE P GEORGE MARY
Quality of data: questionable evidence
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Death of a paternal grandmotherMaria BESTGROOD
1857 (Age 12)
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Birth of a brotherPeter Edwin VIAL
March 26, 1860 (Age 15)
Citation details: Email date 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Birth of a brotherEdward VIAL
about 1860 (Age 15)

Citation details: Email date 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Note: This birth date was found by deducting his age from the year of birth of Mary Ann.
Death of a brotherGeorge Martin VIAL
before 1862 (Age 17)

Citation details: Email date 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Birth of a sisterMary Ann VIAL
July 29, 1862 (Age 17)
Citation details: 11203/1862 VIAL MARY A GEORGE MARY NEWCASTLE
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Citation details: Email dated 30 Nov 2006
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Marriage of a siblingJoseph Sylvester VIALElizabeth COOKView this family
November 7, 1874 (Age 30)
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Citation details: 3409/1874 VIAL JOSEPH COOK ELIZABETH LAMBTON
Marriage of a siblingJohn VIALMaria Theresa MAHONEYView this family
about 1876 (Age 31)
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Citation details: 3717/1876 VIAL JOHN MAHONEY MARIA LAMBTON
Marriage of a siblingCharles Joseph VIALJane CLAYTONView this family
about 1876 (Age 31)
Citation details: 3734/1876 VIAL CHARLES CLAYTON JANE WALLSEND
Marriage of a siblingLaurence Philip VIALSusannah Mary Agnes LEONARDView this family
about 1878 (Age 33)
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Death of a fatherGeorge VILE
September 28, 1879 (Age 34)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 8148/1879 VIAL GEORGE AGE 67 YEARS DIED PARRAMATTA PARRAMATTA
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Citation details: Web site update 23 Apr 2007
Quality of data: primary evidence
Marriage of a siblingThomas Auhustine LEONARDMary Ann VIALView this family
about 1884 (Age 39)
Citation details: 6646/1884 LEONARD THOMAS A VIAL MARY A A LAMBTON
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Marriage of a siblingPeter Edwin VIALWinifred Mary COLGANView this family
July 4, 1893 (Age 48)
Citation details: 3870/1893 VIAL PETER E COLGAN WINIFRED HAMILTON
Quality of data: primary evidence
Religious marriageSarah Lydia GREGORYView this family
December 26, 1893 (Age 49)
Address: St. Augustine's Church of England
Citation details: 4848/1894 VIAL PATRICK GREGORY SARAH L MEREWETHER
Quality of data: questionable evidence
Text:

The referenced family bible as the marriage date of 25 December 1893.

Publication: The Newcastle Morning Herald Feb 1940
Citation details: Email 1 March, 2006
Text:

Subject: Fwd: Gregory Photos Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:12:13 +1100

Dear Stuart, The data continues! Have you Robert's details yet? He might need a prod. What about Allan? Regards, Jan

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Subject: Gregory Photos

Hi Jan, I have attached photos of graves of William Gregory SNR and William & Ann Gregory both from Sandgate Cemetery. Photos of William & Ann Gregory and Patrick & Sarah Vial.

RE: Vial. On Patrick & Sarah wedding certif. his parents listed as George Vial & Mary Linham. Patrick born Hunter River , age 44 in 1893 = born about 1849 No record of birth of Patrick Vial/Vile on BDM. A George Vile & Mary Lynham married Newcatle Rom.Catholic Reg. 28.11.1842 Permission to Marry 1842 - Vile, George, 32, Ship-Mangles 8, Sentence 7 years, Status-ticket of leave. Lynham, Mary, 18, ship-Royal Sovereigh, Status-Free. This is all I have on the Vial's at this stage. I need to investigate further.

Quality of data: secondary evidence
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Birth of a daughter
#1
Leonora Mary VIAL
December 8, 1894 (Age 50)
Citation details: 3888/1895 VIAL LENORA M PATRICK SARAH L HAMILTON
Quality of data: questionable evidence
Birth of a daughter
#2
Constance Edith “Connie” VIAL
November 9, 1895 (Age 51)
Citation details: 31111/1896 VIAL CONSTANCE E PATRICK SARAH L HAMILTON
Quality of data: questionable evidence
Publication: Narrawallee, NSW, Australia; Phil and Jan Gregory; Mar 2007; ISBN 978-0-9750011-2-7
Citation details: Descendants of William Gregory Page 2
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Christening of a daughterConstance Edith “Connie” VIAL
November 25, 1896 (Age 52)
Birth of a daughter
#3
Hilda May VIAL
February 22, 1899 (Age 54)
Citation details: 12465/1899 VIAL HILDA PATRICK SARAH L HAMILTON
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Birth of a daughter
#4
Doris VIAL
October 16, 1902 (Age 57)
Citation details: 32148/1902 VIAL DORIS PATRICK SARAH L HAMILTON
Quality of data: primary evidence
Death of a motherMary LYNHAM
September 12, 1905 (Age 60)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 11135/1905 VIAL MARY (LYNOM) WICKHAM
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Note: Mary's date of death obtained from her headstone, a photo of which is included in her burial event.
Birth of a son
#5
Cyril VIAL
June 30, 1908 (Age 63)
Christening of a sonCyril VIAL
August 16, 1908 (Age 63)

Death of a sonCyril VIAL
December 10, 1908 (Age 64)
Citation details: 13845/1908 VIAL CYRIL PATRICK SARAH L HAMILTON
Quality of data: primary evidence
Burial of a sonCyril VIAL
December 11, 1908 (Age 64)
Address: Anglican 1, Section 69 Lot 6
Religion: Anglican
Text:

ial Cyril 1908-12-11 ANGLICAN_1 69 6 151.707831576 -32.870186538

Vial - Cyril, Patrick and Sarah Lydia
Vial - Cyril, Patrick and Sarah Lydia

Note: Downloaded from sandgate.northerncemeteries.com.au

Death of a brotherJohn VIAL
March 24, 1913 (Age 68)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 1369/1913 VIAL JOHN GEORGE MARY CHARLESTOWN
Note:

Death date taken from Charlestown Cemetery Burial Index. Headstone no longer exists.

Burial of a brotherJohn VIAL
March 25, 1913 (Age 68)
Cemetery: Roman Catholic
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Marriage of a childWilliam KINGConstance Edith “Connie” VIALView this family
December 11, 1920 (Age 76)
Citation details: 18950/1920 KING WILLIAM VIAL CONSTANCE E HAMILTON
Quality of data: questionable evidence
Marriage of a childGeorge Levi MORRISLeonora Mary VIALView this family
Type: Religious marriage
May 16, 1923 (Age 78)
Address: St. Peter's, Church of England
Citation details: 7592/1923 MORRIS GEORGE VIAL LEONORA M HAMILTON
Morris - Gordon and Vial - Leonora
Morris - Gordon and Vial - Leonora

Note: Image kindly supplied by Maree Payne.

Marriage of a childKeith Falkiner Wentworth WALLERHilda May VIALView this family
May 16, 1923 (Age 78)
Citation details: 7595/1923 WALLER KEITH F W VIAL HILDA HAMILTON
Quality of data: questionable evidence
Birth of a grandson
#1
Magnus George MORRIS
October 24, 1925 (Age 80)
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Birth of a grandson
#2
Donald Gregory MORRIS
October 24, 1925 (Age 80)
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Death of a brotherJoseph Sylvester VIAL
about 1925 (Age 80)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 371/1925 VIAL JOSEPH S GEORGE WALLSEND
Death of a grandsonDonald Gregory MORRIS
before June 3, 1926 (Age 81)
Citation details: Email 3 Feb 2006
Text:

Deaths 8922/1926 MORRIS DONALD G GEORGE LEONARD M HAMILTON

The above shows you can't rely on or get everything from an index. This was the twin brother of Magnus - son of George and Leonora M MORRIS.

Quality of data: secondary evidence
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 8922/1926 MORRIS DONALD G GEORGE LEONARD M HAMILTON
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Burial of a grandsonDonald Gregory MORRIS
June 3, 1926 (Age 81)
Address: Presbyterian NW Portion 6, 19.
Cemetery: Sandgate General
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
Marriage of a childFrancis Aloysius J CROWEDoris VIALView this family
December 4, 1926 (Age 82)
Citation details: 18747/1926 CROWE FRANCIS A J VIAL DORIS WEST MAITLAND
Quality of data: primary evidence
Birth of a granddaughter
#3
Dorothy Leonora MORRIS
June 14, 1927 (Age 82)
Birth of a grandson
#4
Unnamed CROWE
1928 (Age 83)
Death of a grandsonUnnamed CROWE
1928 (Age 83)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 3834/1928 CROWE MALE INFANT FRANCIS A J DORIS WEST MAITLAND
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Birth of a granddaughter
#5
Beryl Joan MORRIS
January 9, 1929 (Age 84)
Birth of a grandson
#6
Br. Brian Francis CROWE
February 4, 1929 (Age 84)
Occupation
Music teacher
1930 (Age 85)
Publication: Narrawallee, NSW, Australia; Phil and Jan Gregory; Mar 2007; ISBN 978-0-9750011-2-7
Citation details: Page 30
Note:

Patrick was a musician and music teacher in Newcastle and conducted the choir at a local Catholic Church. One day, he came home to find the parish priest had called to inform him that since he had not been married in the Catholic Church, his marriage to Sarah was not recogrused and their chddren were not legitimate. Patrick left the priest in no doubt as to what he thought of that proposition and ejected him from the house. He resigned as choir master forthwith and became a member of the local Anglican Church where he continued to put his musical talents to good use. The 1901 Newcastle directory has the entry: Musicians - Vial, P. Lindsay Street, Harmlton [p.78]

ResidenceSarah Lydia GREGORYView this family
1930 (Age 85)
Address: 29 Elcho Street Hamilton NSW
Birth of a grandson
#7
Fr Terrence Patrick CROWE
January 14, 1931 (Age 86)
Death of a brotherCharles Joseph VIAL
October 8, 1931 (Age 86)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 17473/1931 VIAL CHARLES J GEORGE MARY WALLSEND
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Note: Death date as per Wallsend Cemetery Buriel Register.
Occupation
Examiner
before 1933 (Age 88)
Death March 17, 1933 (Age 88)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 3556/1933 VIAL PATRICK GEORGE MARY NEWCASTLE
Quality of data: questionable evidence
Burial March 18, 1933 (1 day after death)
Address: Section 69 Lot 8
Cemetery: Sandgate General
Religion: Anglican
Text:

Vial Patrick 1933-03-18 ANGLICAN_1 69 8 151.707843865 -32.870182807

Vial - Cyril, Patrick and Sarah Lydia
Vial - Cyril, Patrick and Sarah Lydia

Note: Downloaded from sandgate.northerncemeteries.com.au

Family with parents - View this family
father
mother
Marriage: November 28, 1842Newcastle, , New South Wales, Australia
5 months
elder brother
18 months
himself
20 months
younger brother
18 months
younger brother
21 months
younger brother
3 years
younger brother
2 years
younger brother
2 years
younger brother
4 years
younger brother
9 months
younger brother
3 years
younger sister
Family with Sarah Lydia GREGORY - View this family
himself
wife
Marriage: December 26, 1893Merewether, , New South Wales, Australia
11 months
daughter
11 months
daughter
Constance Edith “Connie” VIAL
Birth: November 9, 1895 51 32Hamilton, , New South Wales, Australia
Death: November 26, 1960Gosford, , New South Wales, Australia
3 years
daughter
Hilda May VIAL
Birth: February 22, 1899 54 36Hamilton, , New South Wales, Australia
Death: March 15, 1992Wellington, , New South Wales, Australia
4 years
daughter
6 years
son
Cyril VIAL
Birth: June 30, 1908 63 45Hamilton, , New South Wales, Australia
Death: December 10, 1908Hamilton, , New South Wales, Australia

BirthEmails - Jan Gregory
BirthEmails - Jan Gregory
Citation details: Email 1 March, 2006
Text:

From: Jan Gregory jancgr@bigpond.net.au Subject: Fwd: Gregory Photos Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:12:13 +1100

Dear Stuart, The data continues!

Begin forwarded message:

From: PAYNE_FAMILY payne_family@bigpond.com Date: 1 March 2006 5:10:51 PM To: jancgr@bigpond.net.au Subject: Gregory Photos

Hi Jan, I have attached photos of graves of William Gregory SNR and William & Ann Gregory both from Sandgate Cemetery. Photos of William & Ann Gregory and Patrick & Sarah Vial.

RE: Vial. On Patrick & Sarah wedding certif. his parents listed as George Vial & Mary Linham. Patrick born Hunter River , age 44 in 1893 = born about 1849 No record of birth of Patrick Vial/Vile on BDM. A George Vile & Mary Lynham married Newcatle Rom.Catholic Reg. 28.11.1842 Permission to Marry 1842 - Vile, George, 32, Ship-Mangles 8, Sentence 7 years, Status-ticket of leave. Lynham, Mary, 18, ship-Royal Sovereigh, Status-Free. This is all I have on the Vial's at this stage. I need to investigate further.

Quality of data: secondary evidence
ChristeningEmails - Jan Gregory
MarriageMarriages registered in New South Wales.
Citation details: 4848/1894 VIAL PATRICK GREGORY SARAH L MEREWETHER
Quality of data: questionable evidence
MarriageGregory-William-Bible
Text:

The referenced family bible as the marriage date of 25 December 1893.

MarriageConversation by Donald Gregory with Stuart Gregory
MarriageObituary - VIAL - Sarah Lydia
Publication: The Newcastle Morning Herald Feb 1940
MarriageEmails - Jan Gregory
Citation details: Email 1 March, 2006
Text:

Subject: Fwd: Gregory Photos Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:12:13 +1100

Dear Stuart, The data continues! Have you Robert's details yet? He might need a prod. What about Allan? Regards, Jan

Begin forwarded message:

Subject: Gregory Photos

Hi Jan, I have attached photos of graves of William Gregory SNR and William & Ann Gregory both from Sandgate Cemetery. Photos of William & Ann Gregory and Patrick & Sarah Vial.

RE: Vial. On Patrick & Sarah wedding certif. his parents listed as George Vial & Mary Linham. Patrick born Hunter River , age 44 in 1893 = born about 1849 No record of birth of Patrick Vial/Vile on BDM. A George Vile & Mary Lynham married Newcatle Rom.Catholic Reg. 28.11.1842 Permission to Marry 1842 - Vile, George, 32, Ship-Mangles 8, Sentence 7 years, Status-ticket of leave. Lynham, Mary, 18, ship-Royal Sovereigh, Status-Free. This is all I have on the Vial's at this stage. I need to investigate further.

Quality of data: secondary evidence
MarriageWeb Site - ancestry.com.au
Citation details: Stewart Family Tree
OccupationAustralian Electoral Roll - NSW - 1930
OccupationThe Newcastle Connection: A Gregory Family History
Publication: Narrawallee, NSW, Australia; Phil and Jan Gregory; Mar 2007; ISBN 978-0-9750011-2-7
Citation details: Page 30
ResidenceAustralian Electoral Roll - NSW - 1930
OccupationConversation by Donald Gregory with Stuart Gregory
NameGregory-William-Bible
DeathDeaths Registered in New South Wales
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 3556/1933 VIAL PATRICK GEORGE MARY NEWCASTLE
Quality of data: questionable evidence
DeathEmails - Jan Gregory
BurialSandgate Cemetery Trust
Text:

Vial Patrick 1933-03-18 ANGLICAN_1 69 8 151.707843865 -32.870182807